Update: There's some useful information in the comments from recent trekkers.
The trek we did in Torres del Paine, the "W," is one of the park's most popular routes (along with the Circuit), but there still seems to be plenty of confusion among aspiring trekkers about how to do the "W," mostly about how to break up the days. Before we left, we only had a vague idea of what was feasible. So I've made two maps to illustrate possible "W" routes.
But there are a couple of downsides to their proposed route. First, you leave some of the best stuff (namely the Torres) until the last day. So if something unexpected happens, you risk not seeing the towers (for example, our stove broke and we lost a day because we had to trek back to the base). Second, the design of their trek is based around seeing the Torres at sunrise (you just have to pray for good weather). But if you don't care about this, or if you know you're not an earlier riser, you don't necessarily need to plan the whole trek around it.
Based on our experience, the below map is an alternative route that we would suggest you consider.
There are a couple of important features about our revised route:
- It only works if you can take the afternoon bus to the park the day before (giving you five nights in the park, rather than four), which all depends on your itinerary and when you arrive in Puerto Natales. It also only works if you know you are going to have nice weather on your first day (the weather in the park is notoriously unpredictable, meaning no matter what your itinerary, it might not be possible to see what you want to see).
- When you arrive at the park the night before (nice and early at about 5:30 p.m.), set up camp at Camping Las Torres (note: there is both a Camping Las Torres and a Campamento Las Torres). The next morning, wake up early and take only daypacks up to the Mirador Las Torres (plenty of people do this as a day hike, plus you'll have an early start since you're already in the park and you won't have to break down camp). Spend the night at Camping Las Torres again, and then head to Los Cuernos the next morning.
- The main benefit of this route is you get to do the hardest day without your heavy pack (if you are staying at refugios and not carrying much then this route isn't for you). And if you know the weather is good, it guarantees good views of the Torres.
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Finally, for anyone trying to plan their own route, here are the times and distances between various points, as listed in the CONAF map they hand out when you enter the park:
Finally, for anyone trying to plan their own route, here are the times and distances between various points, as listed in the CONAF map they hand out when you enter the park:
- Hosteria Las Torres to Campamento Torres (9 kilometers, 3.5 hours): The first 2.5 km is a steep ascent, then the trail becomes much more moderate. With heavy packs, it's probably closer to 4 or 4.5 hours up, but much faster descending.
- Campamento Torres to Mirador Torres (45 minutes - 1 hour): A steep rocky ascent, but not too long, and very do-able carrying a daypack.
- Hosteria Las Torres to Refugio Los Cuernos (11 kilometers, 4.5 - 5 hours)
- Los Cuernos to Campamento Italiano (5.5 kilometers, 2.5 hours)
- Campamento Italiano to Mirador Britanico in the Valle Frances (7.5 kilometers one way, 3 hours)
- Italiano to Refugio Paine Grande (7.6 kilometers, 2.5 hours)
- Paine Grande to Refugio Grey (11 kilometers, 3.5 hours)
We found the hiking times to actually be fairly accurate for carrying heavy packs (unlike in El Chalten, where the hiking times seemed much too low unless you were stopping little and carrying almost nothing).


Hi Steph and Ben! Thank you for your informative and entertaining blog - I'm so happy I found it!
ReplyDeleteJust booked to do the W in April next year with my extremely outdoorsy boyfriend; whereas my 5-day hiking experiences are limited to Drakensburg and the (relatively cushy) Otter Trail in South Africa, he's basically more used to a tent than an actual roof over his head :)
We've read more than a few reviews, but yours fits a lot more with what we have been discussing. Particularly as we don't plan on using refugios unless the weather is dire. Sounds like it will be almost impossible to predict, but April should promise a lot of rain! Can't wait to get out there, either way.
I hope you're enjoying San Fran!
Thanks for commenting and glad we could help! I remember when we were planning our trip, people had written so much about TDP that it was difficult to find the information we wanted. It sounds like your boyfriend will be plenty prepared for your trip. Let me know if I can answer any questions, and have a blast!
ReplyDeleteHey. Thanks for the information, It wasn´t clear in my Lonely Planet and this is much better... I´m heading to Torres del Paine soon and I´m starting to panic! Do I need to book refugios and campsites beforehand?! Or how did you do it? Sorry if you explained somewhere and I missed it
ReplyDeleteGlad to help! You definitely need to book refugios in advance if you're sleeping there (you don't need to book meals). I don't remember the rules for booking campsites -- we didn't book ahead, but it wasn't the busiest season and we made sure to arrive early each day.
ReplyDeleteHi- As well, tks for the beautifully organized information! Just finished booking for our trip from the 23-29th. YES, you do need to book those campsites that are not free (FREE= Italiano, Britanico and Campamento Torres) all others are run by outside companies http://sales.fantasticosur.com/index2.php?ENG=English and http://www.verticepatagonia.com/service-search/1?search=block
DeleteBe forewarned, I believe these campings are out fast.
Hi Steph and Ben,
ReplyDeleteGREAT blog! If you don't mind me asking, and I apologize if I missed but where does the bus drop you off when you're doing the East to West route? I'm trying to figure out how long it will take us from the drop off to Camping Los Torres for the first night. THANK YOU!!
When we went, the bus dropped us off at Laguna Amarga, where we had to pay the park entrance fee. There was then a shuttle that took us to the base area. (You can also walk.) I believe it was about a 20-minute shuttle ride.
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ReplyDeleteThank you so much for this informative guide!!! I have a few questions.
- Is it safe to bring photography equipment or am I asking to be mugged? Do people generally bring their cameras and tripods, or not so much?
- I have a small high-end backpacking tent, but it's not a mountaineering tent - will this be adequate or will the winds destroy it?
- Is it ever possible to get same-day reservations at the refugios if, for instance, my tent is destroyed?
Thanks for your time!
- Camera: I'm not sure where you're referring to in terms of being mugged. I wouldn't walk around Puerto Natales after dark lugging around obviously expensive equipment, but in the park I wouldn't worry about it. My bigger concern would be the weight of what you're carrying while hiking. Plenty of people carry nice cameras, I'm not sure how many I saw with tripods.
ReplyDelete- Tent: We used a North Face Tadpole tent and were fine. We went in March so I can't speak for what you'll need in other seasons. The designated campsites are comparatively protected, just make sure you have plenty of extra rope to tie down your tent securely (multiple nights we saw other campers who had to get up in the night to deal with their unsecured tents).
- Refugios: We never ran into this situation, maybe someone else can comment?
Hi Steph/Ben - thanks for taking the time to write up all this info. I'm heading there in a few weeks to do the Circuito, and will be following your advice and will probably be spending the first two nights at Camping Torres, with a day trip up to see the Torres if the weather is good.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering if any of the paid campsites offer any way to secure food at the campsite when you are day tripping (sort of like the bear lockers found in California - obviously no bears there, but from what I hear, there's a big rodent problem there)? Or is there a section that everyone hangs up their food?
Also, did you leave any valuables back in Natales? I'm not keen on carrying my non-camera electronics around, but don't have a sense as to how safe it is to leave stuff in storage in Natales. I'm curious as to if you heard of any problems with people leaving their stuff in Natales while trekking...
I'm sure I'm just being overly paranoid - I don't usually worry about these things in the back-country at home, but TdP being such a tourist destination, I'm a little more cautious.
Thanks!
Hey, we just got off the W yesterday and followed your/Erratic Rock route suggestion (more or less - we stayed in refugios all nights and ate all our meals there). Thanks for all the info!
ReplyDeleteSome notes from our trip:
Italiano has been closed for the last couple weeks because the bathrooms are broken, which screws up nearly everyone's itinerary. The nearest alternative is the campground at Cuernos, which has been a disaster - they have been turning people away starting at around 5 or 6pm. (Though it's possible to finagle a spot at Italiano if you arrive past 8pm - the guardaparques won't make you walk more after dark and will let you pitch a tent). They didn't seem to be doing anything to fix Italiano.
Also, it is important to bring a load of cash with you to the park. I didn't read this anywhere on the internet before we went. It costs 18k pesos per person to enter the park, 12k pesos per person to ride the catamaran, and 2.5k pesos to take the bus to/from Las Torres. That's 32.5k pesos per person MINIMUM. Plus extra supplies at the stores in the refugios, maybe a couple beers or a hot meal, maybe some extra to cover if a refugio screwed up your reservation and never took payment, etc. I'd take minimum 100-150k pesos for a group of 2 people, just to be safe. Nobody takes credit cards anywhere in the park, and there is no ATM.
And one other comment for anyone considering the hike: bring hiking poles! It was so windy, people were getting knocked down when we were there. I used to think poles were for old people, but boy am I glad we had them in the park, mostly for stability. A waterproof pack cover is also highly recommended. In the states, we typically either tie our ponchos around our packs or just wear them, but we found it's far too windy in the park for ponchos. We bought our pack covers at Cuernos for the (surprisingly reasonable) cost of 5k pesos each, and had them on 100% of the time, even if it wasn't raining. Sometimes it would start raining out of literally nowhere.
Some answers to comment questions:
1) Rodents were not a problem for anyone we met. Leave your food in a garbage bag in your tent if you're day tripping, or hang it. That's what everyone was doing. There were some extremely inexperienced people doing the hike, though, so I imagine some people have left a pile of food on the ground, in which case yeah, rodents would be a problem.
2) Nobody we met has had any issue with leaving valuables in Natales, though it's obviously best to cover your butt in case of emergency. We left our laptop and some other stuff in the locking shed at our B&B, but took passports, money, wallets, etc. We were also worried about this, and asked many travelers who said they had no problems leaving stuff at Erratic Rock, or other hostels. Turned out to be totally fine, though we put garbage bags with hard-to-undo knots around the stuff we left anyway..
3) The refugios appeared to be taking same-day cash on some occasions, but only if they're not full and it's already late in the day (Cuernos and Chileno seemed to be always full). The refugios also offer a service where they will rent you a tent/sleeping bag and set it up for you (typically with a reservation). The staff didn't seem happy about taking same-day reservations, but were helpful if you were in dire straits (we saw a group of people that arrived at the full Cuernos campground at 10:30pm, and the refugio staff worked with them to find a non-designated tent spot).
4) We saw a few people with Gorillapods or lightweight extending tripods, but nobody with a real tripod. I think the hikes are too long to carry that much weight. Additionally, I don't think there is much (any) robbery in the depths of the park. At least 25+% of people we saw had nice DSLR cameras.
Thanks for all the info, and have a good trip to anyone who hasn't yet been!
Jeff
Kristen/Jeff - thanks for your feedback on the questions above! Sounds like I don't have much to worry about re: storage and food, although it looks like I won't be storing anything particularly valuable after all...
ReplyDeleteThe official CONAF park websites lists that Camping is only available from Sept - March. We're 2 experienced trekkers from Canada planning to do the O in mid April, we'd be bringing all our own gear. Does anyone know if there are restrictions on camping and camping in the free sites during April/Winter?
ReplyDeleteHi Matthan, The TDP Park it is open from Jan to Dec but maybe there some restriction and tips that you may need to consider ... The Forum http://www.tricuspide.com/ (Chilean Forum) contain some important info in spanish about the Torres del Paine and also some guys post their experience doing their trip in winter. My suggestion is to post a message in that forum (English will be fine I think) asking what you need to know ...
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I did this trip in complete reverse back in December 2011, well except I did what I have named the W+, as I started at the main administration office at the last "bus" stop within the park (map: http://globe-trekking.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2011-patagonia-map.jpg). I left the park the same day the fire broke out, so I was very lucky to have been able to hike at all... very sad about what had happened.
ReplyDeleteI question how people found the western part of the park given it is now 2 years after the fire. What kind of damage did you experience?
It is such a beautiful park and I am planning to go back next year to do the full circuit....
I was just there late Feb 2013, did the 'Q' (the full circuit plus the walk-in from Administration). The damage is extensive on the Western section of the park - most of the trail from Paso down to Paine Grande and beyond crosses through burned-out forest. That said, it's not nearly as distracting as I had expected - it's still scenic (even thought more stark), and I think it made for a more interesting hike overall. It certainly wouldn't be a make-or-break issue in my opinion...
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